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	<title>Comments on: WTF &#8211; Malware in SERPs?</title>
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		<title>By: website design mazarron</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35359</link>
		<dc:creator>website design mazarron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think they should just ban the sites that contain malware etc... some people don&#039;t understand even the most obvious warnings and click without realising the consequences...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think they should just ban the sites that contain malware etc&#8230; some people don&#8217;t understand even the most obvious warnings and click without realising the consequences&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: seo55</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35231</link>
		<dc:creator>seo55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no issues in removing harmful sites and spyware.  Google is a private business, it is not the only way to access the internet and they can choose to protect their image by removing harmful websites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no issues in removing harmful sites and spyware.  Google is a private business, it is not the only way to access the internet and they can choose to protect their image by removing harmful websites.</p>
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		<title>By: web seo</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35187</link>
		<dc:creator>web seo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed that Google does not do the warning sign in their search results for the entire website but for certain pages within the website if they show up as results in their search engine. It&#039;s great that they are doing warnings about malware but dislike the fact that they let you access the site through another page on their site. I do feel that people should be \entitled\ to a written warning if Google plans to show this type of comment, even if it&#039;s after the site starts showing the warning. I don&#039;t think Google should ban any site, since the malware may have mistakenly been made part of the site. Benefit of the doubt. Anyone else have more opinions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that Google does not do the warning sign in their search results for the entire website but for certain pages within the website if they show up as results in their search engine. It&#8217;s great that they are doing warnings about malware but dislike the fact that they let you access the site through another page on their site. I do feel that people should be \entitled\ to a written warning if Google plans to show this type of comment, even if it&#8217;s after the site starts showing the warning. I don&#8217;t think Google should ban any site, since the malware may have mistakenly been made part of the site. Benefit of the doubt. Anyone else have more opinions?</p>
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		<title>By: pittfall</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35177</link>
		<dc:creator>pittfall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sean: Thanks for the comment.

You make a great point. If a website owner is non-responsive then they don&#039;t belong in the rankings because they failed to attend to the needs of their users by offering a quality resource without the risk of loss. I still feel that they best place for a website with malware is not in SERPs.

I wonder how a webmaster should handle the negativity that would come with your listings showing you have malware? As long as it takes for users to remove it from their computers, I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sean: Thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>You make a great point. If a website owner is non-responsive then they don&#8217;t belong in the rankings because they failed to attend to the needs of their users by offering a quality resource without the risk of loss. I still feel that they best place for a website with malware is not in SERPs.</p>
<p>I wonder how a webmaster should handle the negativity that would come with your listings showing you have malware? As long as it takes for users to remove it from their computers, I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: pittfall</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35176</link>
		<dc:creator>pittfall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Oliver Fisher: Oliver, thanks for the follow up, and I see your point, however, if a website has made an impression the likelihood that the user will go back to a search engine to find what has already been found is lowered.

The idea of leaving them in the SERPs and warning the user will more likely lead that user to not go back to the warned site because it isn&#039;t worth the risk. Transparency is important, but I think that safety, rather than transparency is much more important to users in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Oliver Fisher: Oliver, thanks for the follow up, and I see your point, however, if a website has made an impression the likelihood that the user will go back to a search engine to find what has already been found is lowered.</p>
<p>The idea of leaving them in the SERPs and warning the user will more likely lead that user to not go back to the warned site because it isn&#8217;t worth the risk. Transparency is important, but I think that safety, rather than transparency is much more important to users in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35171</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting ... if the site knows of the malware label in webmaster tools, then it can be fixed by the site owner within say 30 days. If the site owner has time to react, then it makes sense to remove them from the index after some time has passed. The alternative is to ban the site completely, removing it from all paid and organic listings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting &#8230; if the site knows of the malware label in webmaster tools, then it can be fixed by the site owner within say 30 days. If the site owner has time to react, then it makes sense to remove them from the index after some time has passed. The alternative is to ban the site completely, removing it from all paid and organic listings.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35164</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think like a user, not a webmaster.  Let&#039;s suppose Google removed all malware sites from serps.  If a user was at a site yesterday, they may use Google to search for the site to visit again today.  But if the site has malware, it doesn&#039;t appear in search results.  The user knows the site exists so they&#039;ll find some other way to get to it - browser history, for instance.  Because Google didn&#039;t tell them about the malware on the site, the user may inadvertently expose themselves.

By leaving the site in serps with a malware warning attached, Google gives users important information while protecting them.

I totally understand your point of view and removing malware infected sites from serps is a legitimate course of action.  Personally, I&#039;m glad that Google erred on the site of transparency though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think like a user, not a webmaster.  Let&#8217;s suppose Google removed all malware sites from serps.  If a user was at a site yesterday, they may use Google to search for the site to visit again today.  But if the site has malware, it doesn&#8217;t appear in search results.  The user knows the site exists so they&#8217;ll find some other way to get to it &#8211; browser history, for instance.  Because Google didn&#8217;t tell them about the malware on the site, the user may inadvertently expose themselves.</p>
<p>By leaving the site in serps with a malware warning attached, Google gives users important information while protecting them.</p>
<p>I totally understand your point of view and removing malware infected sites from serps is a legitimate course of action.  Personally, I&#8217;m glad that Google erred on the site of transparency though.</p>
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		<title>By: pittfall</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35161</link>
		<dc:creator>pittfall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Oliver Fisher: Oliver, thank you for your comment.

I absolutely understand your point, however, two caveats, first if the website owner is proactive, they would be maintaining their website (but malware still happens) and second, if malware is found on their site, they should want it to be removed so they can address the issue.

It&#039;s like being sick, if you have a cold and are in an office, go home, get rest and get better, but as long as you are out in the population, you risk infecting others and that isn&#039;t being a good member of your community, certainly not providing a positive environment for your visitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Oliver Fisher: Oliver, thank you for your comment.</p>
<p>I absolutely understand your point, however, two caveats, first if the website owner is proactive, they would be maintaining their website (but malware still happens) and second, if malware is found on their site, they should want it to be removed so they can address the issue.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like being sick, if you have a cold and are in an office, go home, get rest and get better, but as long as you are out in the population, you risk infecting others and that isn&#8217;t being a good member of your community, certainly not providing a positive environment for your visitors.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35160</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; or at the least, not allow a user to click through.

Google doesn&#039;t allow the user to click through.  Clicking on the result on the serp page will lead to a warning interstitial page.  If the user really wants to proceed to the site (which I don&#039;t recommend), they can type the url into the browser manually.  Of course, FF3 and Chrome provide further protection by also using Google&#039;s malware blacklist - even for manually typed urls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; or at the least, not allow a user to click through.</p>
<p>Google doesn&#8217;t allow the user to click through.  Clicking on the result on the serp page will lead to a warning interstitial page.  If the user really wants to proceed to the site (which I don&#8217;t recommend), they can type the url into the browser manually.  Of course, FF3 and Chrome provide further protection by also using Google&#8217;s malware blacklist &#8211; even for manually typed urls.</p>
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		<title>By: pittfall</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35159</link>
		<dc:creator>pittfall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JohnMu: John, thanks for the comment.

Taking your assumption in this case, wouldn&#039;t the absence of traffic from Google get your attention? I think that notifying a website owner shouldn&#039;t be a requirement of any search engine, but if you are looking for insight from the likes of Google, set up a webmaster tools account and be notified. I think that if Google and Yahoo were trying to be realistic and looking out for the user, they wouldn&#039;t include the listing, or at the least, not allow a user to click through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JohnMu: John, thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>Taking your assumption in this case, wouldn&#8217;t the absence of traffic from Google get your attention? I think that notifying a website owner shouldn&#8217;t be a requirement of any search engine, but if you are looking for insight from the likes of Google, set up a webmaster tools account and be notified. I think that if Google and Yahoo were trying to be realistic and looking out for the user, they wouldn&#8217;t include the listing, or at the least, not allow a user to click through.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35144</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This blog post may explain Google&#039;s reasoning: http://oliverfisher.blogspot.com/2008/11/kick-them-all-out.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog post may explain Google&#8217;s reasoning: <a href="http://oliverfisher.blogspot.com/2008/11/kick-them-all-out.html" >http://oliverfisher.blogspot.com/2008/11/kick-them-all-out.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JohnMu</title>
		<link>http://www.seopittfall.com/malware-in-serps/comment-page-1#comment-35127</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnMu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stephen - that&#039;s a good question :). We generally think that malware is something that should be very visible and we know that it usually gets fixed as soon as someone notices. Assuming a big site got malware, do you think it would get noticed &amp; fixed as quickly if we just removed the site from the search results? I think the malware label really helps to make it obvious to everyone, including the webmasters. We want to send those sites traffic, so we want them to fix it ASAP, and we&#039;ll remove the label as soon as we see that things are back in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stephen &#8211; that&#8217;s a good question <img src='http://www.seopittfall.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . We generally think that malware is something that should be very visible and we know that it usually gets fixed as soon as someone notices. Assuming a big site got malware, do you think it would get noticed &amp; fixed as quickly if we just removed the site from the search results? I think the malware label really helps to make it obvious to everyone, including the webmasters. We want to send those sites traffic, so we want them to fix it ASAP, and we&#8217;ll remove the label as soon as we see that things are back in order.</p>
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		<title>By: FeedBomb</title>
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		<dc:creator>FeedBomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;WTF - Malware in SERPs?&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
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